as in all sin. And I do believe this is a sin. Maybe not the worst of sins, but I think if I'm

there and I have told the Lord, I'm going to be there, I'm all in for you, except for this little

piece of me that's unremount. I don't think that's giving God the full attention that I have

really committed to giving him on the sidewalks.

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Welcome back to the Gospel Center Pro-Life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us. My name is Daniel

Parks. I serve as West Coast Regional Shepherd for Love Life, oversee all of our efforts on the

West Coast, and also oversee nationally our sidewalk ministry. And I'm joined as always by

Vicki Cassiorgh, say, hey, Vicki. Hey, everyone. And Vicki is the sidewalk outreach training

director. So she's involved with training folks and really just pouring into people across the

nation who are doing sidewalk outreach even goes to some of our cities and visits and helps

dial things in and encourage them in their sidewalk outreach ministry. And Vicki is a very gifted

sidewalk outreach team member, sidewalk counselor. We try to get away from the sidewalk counselor

language because- Very hard for me because for 10 years I've said sidewalk counselor, but we

have sidewalk outreach. Yeah, but it's okay. We know what we're talking about, but we try to get

away from the sidewalk counselor language because we've been accused of portraying ourselves as like

licensed counselors or whatever. But my response is Jesus is the wonderful counselor and he never

had a license to counsel, right? And in Proverbs, doesn't it say something about with many

counselors? There's much wisdom. That's kind of the kind of counselor I exactly or that I want to be.

Yeah, but we like to try to define our terms as best we can so sidewalk outreach is what we like

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