This is Rachel goes rogue.

Welcome back to another episode of Rachel goes rogue with your host Rachel Savannah Levis.

Today we are getting into part two of my conversation with Dr. Tice Gibson.

I know you are also an expert on like getting over an X, correct?

Yes, but a lot of focus on our programs in this. Yeah.

Yes. So I have people that come up to me and they're like,

how did you get over your ex?

Like I'm struggling and I've given some suggestions,

but do you have any suggestions that somebody can get to work with that could help them get over their X?

Yes, so there's basically four pillars of whenever we are in grief, okay?

And honestly, when we go through a breakup, like, it's grief.

Like, it's not, that person kind of dies to us in a way.

And so I spent a lot of time originally actually working with people on grief itself. So like when they were dealing with loss or death in their family and really I realize which is so interesting and now this is like a

more bit example it's like an analogy but I don't have a better analogy as of yet

I have to think of one. But you know I would

often you know people would grieve and they say I'm just grieving I'm just

grieving and we just go through these stages of grief and I just have to ride it

out and time will heal it and I was like we have to unpack and like really dissect grief and what it actually is.

Now if you imagine that somebody passes away, God forbid, but you know person, they come back and you have their body, right?

And their body, you know, is still there, but they're not there, like they're not alive.

It doesn't really lessen your grief. So grief has nothing to do with the physical.

Grief has everything to do with the invisible. We're not grieving the person's body,

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