Hello, thank you for downloading the Times Red Box podcast, Luke Jones here for Matt

Chawling, Luke Jones, yeah, Luke Jones, and thank you very much for your company.

We are going to think about 15 years of international affairs in a moment with the help of Sir

Robyn Nibblet, who is standing down as the boss of Chatham House, the much-lauded international

affairs think tank. He's going to be taking us through a busy period in office for him.

First though we'll hear from our columnist today, Danny Finkelstein and David Oranovich.

Meet the Cerberus of Colomists, the Janus of Journalism, and the ultimate political

portmanteau of opinion. Finkelvich with Daniel Finkelstein and David

Oranovich on Times Radio. I know that's been the same throughout, but every time I hear

it it sounds more ludicrous. It does, and in fact, fun enough, each week

a laugh I'd say, even though I've heard it so many times already. Well, welcome both,

all the same. Thanks for your time here. Danny Finkelstein and David

Oranovich, and lots to discuss this morning. Before we get to everything else, shall we

start with, I suppose it's been rumbling for a while, but the situation facing the

Chancellor, and in the papers this morning, and there's a bit of this around yesterday

as well, growing calls for, well, first of all, for him to publish his tax forms and those

of his wife as well, and by way of nipping this in the bud. And also questions about what

he might be doing and his future. Danny, what do you think? Is this a kind of dangerous

time for the Chancellor? Is it something where he should be thinking, or maybe I should

just jack it all in? No, I don't think he should do that. And I think he'd be a big

loss if he did do that. And we're about to find out how resilient a politician here

is. Every politician faces things like this in their career. David and I am sure we'll

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