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This is a Global Player Original Podcast.

Hello and welcome to Full Disclosure, a podcast project conceived exclusively to allow me to spend more time than I'd ever get on the radio with people that are fascinating,

although I sense immediately that this week's guest, Chris Packham, probably rejects the description of fascinating.

I'm not a great fan of Chris Packham, actually.

I have the pleasure of talking about things that are a lot more fascinating than me, quite a lot of the time, as you can imagine.

So my interest in other organisms is greater than the interest in my own self. You say that and we'll get on to the disconnect perhaps between

how loved you are by so many people and how possibly you wouldn't include yourself in that,

in that cohort of the population. But for people of my age, you're one of the few people still on television that it feels like we grew up with,

from the days when you were sort of Robin to Terry Nuckins' Batman with your Billy Idol haircut on the television.

Back to the mid-80s, really wild show.

Yeah, no, I remember it with fondness.

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