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Capehart

Christine Emba and Richard Reeves explore masculinity and modern men

Capehart

The Washington Post

News, News Commentary, Politics

4.61.4K Ratings

🗓️ 27 July 2023

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

In this conversation recorded for Washington Post Live on July 12, Washington Post opinion writer Christine Emba and Richard Reeves, president of the American Institute for Boys and Men, discuss Emba’s essay, “Men are lost. Here’s a map out of the wilderness,” how to address issues facing the modern American male and why the phrase “toxic masculinity” is a problem.

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0:00.0

I'm Jonathan K. Parton, welcome to K-PART. Concerns about masculinity and the American male have

0:05.7

increasingly become an interesting and fraught part of societal and political discourse.

0:10.9

In this week's episode, you're going to hear two distinct voices coming from two different

0:15.7

vantage points, but coming to similar conclusions. One is well-known in this space, Richard Reaves

0:22.1

is president of the American Institute for Boys and Men, an author of the book,

0:27.4

of Boys and Men, why the modern male is struggling, why it matters, and what to do about it.

0:33.0

The other is Washington Post's opinion writer, Christine Emba. She's the author of rethinking sex

0:39.2

a provocation, and became a prominent voice in the masculinity dialogue with her widely read

0:45.0

Washington Post's opinion essay, Men Are Lost. Here's a map out of the wilderness.

0:50.7

In this incredible conversation, first recorded for Washington Post Live on July 12,

0:56.1

Reaves and Emba talk about the issues facing the modern American male, how to address them,

1:02.0

and why the phrase toxic masculinity is a problem. So if there's no non-toxic masculinity,

1:08.2

then that means there's only toxic masculinity, and that's just a really bad place to end up in.

1:12.6

If we're want to talk about solutions for men, we also have to make them feel invited into the

1:17.8

conversation, not just stigmatized for existing, frankly.

1:26.5

You're both coming at this really interesting conversation from different vantage points.

1:32.1

Christine, let me start with you. In your opinions essay, you took a closer look at the

1:36.1

changing narrative around masculinity as revealed through your research. What does the modern man

1:43.6

look like, and what does society expect of him?

1:49.0

So that's the real question. The modern man looks confused. In my research, I talk to young men

1:58.0

around the country, really, and sort of ask them what they thought it meant to be a man in this

2:04.7

day and age, and whether being a man had become harder over time. And so many of them said that

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