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And Winston Churchill's The World Crisis, volume one. We've been telling you about this for a month,

trying to get you to read along with this. It's called a close read, and I don't know

how it's going to work. It's an experiment. But Dr. Arn likes experiments. How many things have

you started at Hillsdale that you had to say that didn't work? That's used to forget about those.

I did a fantasy baseball draft on this show once. It was the worst, gosh, awful three hours of

radio ever, and we never did it again, but I won't forget it. I do have things if they come

up. I try to remember what one of them is now. I said, yeah, that was stupid. If you don't try

things, you won't succeed. And if you do try things, you'll do stupid ones often. And we don't,

I don't let that bother me. I always think I'm human. Keep working. And unfortunately, working

with a bunch of colleagues and a board and the whole community and they all, if you say that to

them, by the way, one of the very best things about Winston Churchill was that he in an extremely

artful way, he would do most himself. And you know, like in 1943 was a very,

in 1942, and in the beginning of 1943, that was a very tough year. Because at the end of 1941,

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, and now both the Soviet Union and the United States have joined Britain

and the war, and Churchill said, I knew where we're going to win. But then after that for a long time,

the news was terrible. And you got a motion of no confidence against him. And so he's constantly

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