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Hey, David, how are you doing right now? Good question. I've got a call at 4 a.m. this morning, so it's kind of been nonstop since then.

David Gibson is the guy I call when there's news at the Vatican. So when I woke up and learned that Pope Francis had died, he was the first person who came to mind.

David spent years working at Vatican Radio. Now he directs Fordham University's

Center on Religion and Culture. I know it's a busy day for you, but is it also an emotional

day for you? It is, I think. You know, I try not to, I try to look at it very dispassionately, like,

you know, I'm an analyst and the whole thing. But I have to say, you know...

You converted to Catholicism, though, right?

I did, in fact. And, you know, way back when John Paul II was Pope, and this Pope, Jesuit Pope, I think he's really,

he seems to represent the church that I converted into.

He was very representative of all the great Jesuit priests and pastors that I always knew.

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