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Lauren Laverne here, we're taking our Easter break,

so until we're back on air, we're showcasing a few programs from our archive.

As usual, the music's been shortened for

rights reasons. This week's guest is the artist and activist Yoko Ono

Kirstie Young cast heraway in 2007. My cast away this week is Yoko Ono. She was already a noted avant-garde artist in her own right when she started

dating one of the most famous men in the world, John Lennon. Then, depending on who you

listen to, she either stole him from the nation or helped him to focus on what was important to them both.

For a long time she was publicly reviled but now more than 25 years after John's murder and with Yoko herself aged 73 the public

perception of her is at last shifting. Yoko O'Connell Paul McCartney said of you that

he had initially thought that you seem to be this cold woman and

then he added I think that was wrong she's just more determined than most people to be herself.

Do you think that's true? Well I think he was very kind to say that, but it's true.

You know your life is not to appease people but to be yourself. My mother was always telling me that and

that's what I was. I was just being myself. I was always like that you know is how I was brought up I think yeah.

I mean most of us most of us do care don't we what people think of us as much as we might all

pretend that we don't in those initial days of your explosive fame did you

find people's attitude hurtful well it was hurtful in a way but I had John

beside me which was it did help and also it seemed almost as if those things were happening in a distance.

So what was said out there didn't seem to hurt that much.

I've been watching a lot of film in preparation for talking to you today and I watched a little

fascinating excerpt of you in your kitchen and John looks at Cameron he says

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