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Poetry Unbound

Closing: Poems as Teachers (ft. Kai Cheng Thom) | Ep 7

Poetry Unbound

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Relationships, Society & Culture, Spirituality, Arts, Religion & Spirituality, Books

4.93.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 May 2024

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

In this concluding episode of "Poems as Teachers," our special miniseries on conflict and the human condition, host Pádraig Ó Tuama says the poems discussed in this offering are a different kind of teacher: “not as teachers that give us rules to follow — more so teachers that share something of their own intuition.” And for a final reflection, he offers Kai Cheng Thom’s “trauma is not sacred,” which speaks directly, fiercely, and lovingly to the pain, scars, and violence that we humans carry and inflict upon one another.

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0:00.0

My name is Paudrigotuma and I worked in conflict resolution throughout my 20s and 30s.

0:09.0

Some of those jobs were directly with people affected by conflict and some of those were with people who

0:15.1

perpetrated conflict.

0:17.1

Some of those people had joined state armed forces or paramilitary organizations.

0:22.4

And when I turned 40,

0:24.3

I began to realize that the wind had gone out of the sales for me

0:27.2

in this work.

0:28.7

Mostly, I discerned this really through feelings of boredom.

0:33.3

It would go a bit like this, I'd arrive into a conflict

0:36.9

and hear the various sides, and then we'd begin to feel like,

0:40.8

well, here's the person who's going to try to reach out, and here's the person who's going to try to reach out and here's the person who

0:44.8

will suggest compromise and here's the person who will resist and here's the dynamic in the

0:50.2

room where we'd just be about to reach conclusion and someone would say something

0:55.2

that would place us back in a position that felt like we'd made no progress whatsoever.

1:00.6

And I'd seen that over and over again.

1:03.0

I'd dread loads of methods, you know, different ways to bring people along,

1:06.0

and I began to think, what is that difficulty?

1:09.0

I made a study of resistance,

1:11.0

and I began to ask people,

1:13.2

what is your resistance to the possibility of us arriving

1:16.4

at some kind of conclusion?

1:18.2

And often it was that there was some fear of the unknown.

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