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If the guy next to you had his hands up, he was crying, he's really into it.

And here's why.

And we don't hate lambs.

We're not thinking about killing lambs all the time because we hate lambs.

Let us just connect some things for you about what some of this insider language means.

And usually it's as simple as that.

And then, you know, people understand.

Yeah. And usually it's as simple as that. And then, you know, people understand. Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership podcast. It's Carrie here, and I hope our time together today helps you thrive in life and leadership.

Well, we are talking high conversion church growth. What does that mean? Well, you know, the dirty secret of

church growth is about 80% is transferred growth. So I sit down with Joby Martin and Mike Householder.

We talk about what happens when that's not true. What happens if you're actually reaching

unchurched people? What are the secrets of high conversion church growth churches of actually reaching

unchurched people? How do you speak to insiders and outsiders? At the same time, and what are the

keys to evangelism in today's culture? So we're going to cover all that and more. Now, you need to

know, this episode is part of a five-episode series on this podcast about the disruptive church trends I've identified for 2025.

Every year, I sit down, I look over the whole landscape, and I find a number of church trends that I think are worthy of highlighting.

One of them is this year in 2025 that evangelism is on life support in a lot of churches.

Only 1% of pastors feel that their church is effective at outreach, very effective. First of all, great humility. Secondly,

that's not cool. That's why I wanted to sit down and talk to Joby and Mike about how they're doing

it in widely different contexts. Now, to go along with this series,

I have a free leader guide, which includes all five trends in detail. You can download it at

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