CNLP 704 | The Dismal State of Evangelism, the Divide Between Church and Culture, and The Missed Opportunity of Unchurched People's Surprising Spiritual Openness with David Kinnaman and Mark Matlock
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Carey Nieuwhof
4.8 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 21 January 2025
⏱️ 80 minutes
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Summary
Only 1% of pastors say their churches are very effective at evangelism. Yet, 72% of people say they are open spiritually.
In this episode, Barna CEO David Kinnaman and author Mark Matlock continue the 2025 Church Trends series and discuss the current divide between church and culture, the surprisingly dismal state of evangelism in the church today, and the missed opportunity of unchurched people's surprising spiritual openness.
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:03.1 | The reality is our Christian ecosystem has to stay alive somehow, right? |
| 0:07.4 | And we've built a model that is very dependent and is fragile if we don't have these things. |
| 0:13.4 | And it may cause us to overstate things that aren't true. |
| 0:21.9 | Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership Podcast. |
| 0:24.5 | It's Carrie here, and I hope our time together helps you thrive in life and leadership. |
| 0:28.8 | Well, today we talk about the dismal state of evangelism in the church. |
| 0:33.4 | It is a struggle. |
| 0:35.5 | There is a divide between church and culture, the missed opportunity of unchurched people's |
| 0:41.0 | surprising spiritual openness. |
| 0:42.7 | And somehow as church leaders, we're missing it. |
| 0:45.0 | And I sit down with David Kinneman. |
| 0:47.3 | He is a CEO of Barna Group and also author Mark Matlock. |
| 0:52.2 | And we talk about all of this and a whole lot more. |
| 0:55.4 | I think you're really going to appreciate this episode. |
| 0:58.0 | And hopefully we've raised some alarm bells in this church trends series that you've been listening to. |
| 1:03.1 | This is actually the final part of a five-part episode series on the five disruptive church trends that will rule 2025. |
| 1:10.2 | To go along with the series, by the way, if you haven't picked it up yet, it's not too late. |
| 1:14.1 | I've got a free leader guide, which includes all five trends in detail. |
| 1:18.2 | You can download it at 2025churchtrends.com. |
| 1:21.7 | Again, that's 2025chchtrends.com. |
| 1:25.4 | Hey, for all of you who are new to this podcast, I want to welcome you. So glad you're |
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