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The Good Fight

Coleman Hughes on the Legacy of Slavery

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Editor’s Note: This podcast was produced as part of Persuasion’s partnership with the Civil Discourse @ MIT program, at which Coleman Hughes recently spoke on a panel exploring the topic “Should American Society Commit to Colorblindness?” To learn more about Civil Discourse @ MIT, visit the program’s website here, and to see prior episodes in the series click here. Coleman Hughes is a writer and the host of Conversations with Coleman. He is the author of The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Coleman Hughes explore the legacy of slavery in the United States, the war on drugs, and if systemic racism exists. Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Amazon offers term time working to their employees, like Anton,

0:05.0

who's home to look after his daughters during their holidays.

0:10.0

Hello!

0:11.0

To him, this is the best sound in the world.

0:13.0

Daddy!

0:14.0

Actually, maybe that's the best sound of all. Now that's term time working.

0:22.6

Offered at Amazon.

0:24.6

10 weeks off guaranteed per year.

0:26.6

Mix of paid holiday and unpaid time off.

0:28.6

Conditions apply.

0:29.6

In my view, structural and systemic racism are fuzzy, cloudy concepts

0:36.6

where 99 out of 100 times I hear them used, I'm not sure what

0:43.7

the speaker actually means and it's not because I'm stupid, it's because they don't quite know

0:49.4

what they mean.

0:53.4

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

1:00.6

My guest today is Coleman Hughes.

1:04.0

Coleman is the host of conversations with Coleman and the author of a great book we talked

1:09.9

about the last time.

1:11.0

He was on the podcast called The End of Race Politics, Arguments for a Colorblind America.

1:16.6

Coleman has also been teaching a class on the legacy of slavery in the last months.

1:24.3

And we had a really interesting conversation about that topic. To what extent

1:30.0

is American reality today shaped by the legacy of slavery? Is the legacy of slavery the key

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