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🗓️ 3 October 2024
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What if major economies all just agreed to quit fossil fuels — together? To date, 13 countries have signed a fossil fuel nonproliferation treaty. The biggest is Colombia, which has a $40 billion economic transition plan to build up green sectors and replace oil and gas revenue. Now Colombia is hoping to recruit other large economies to follow suit.
During a conversation at Climate Week in New York, Akshat Rathi sat down with Colombia’s environment minister, Susana Muhamad, and Brazil's chief climate negotiator, Liliam Chagas, to talk about what it will take for more nations to combat climate change. Brazil has not joined the treaty, yet, but as the designated host of COP30 in 2025, the country has signaled that it, too, wants to be a leader on climate change.
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0:00.0 | Welcome to Zero. I am Akshutarati. This week, the country's quitting fossil fuels. |
0:19.1 | Last week, I was in New York for Climate Week. |
0:21.6 | It was hot and muggy and busy. |
0:24.6 | The United Nations General Assembly was also taking place, |
0:28.6 | which meant traffic in Manhattan was at a total standstill, |
0:32.6 | as cavalcades of diplomats shuttled from one discussion to the next blocking roads. |
0:38.3 | I, of course, travelled the low emissions way, on two feet, covered in sweat between events. |
0:47.3 | There were 600 events in Climate Week, by one count. |
0:52.3 | The mere mortal that I was, I made it just to a dozen. |
0:55.9 | And pretty much no topic was off limits. |
0:59.2 | There were discussions about all the usual big questions. |
1:02.2 | Do we need carbon removal? |
1:04.0 | Do we need geoengineering? |
1:05.9 | Where are we going to get the money? |
1:07.9 | But there were also community cleanups and musical performances and runs for |
1:12.9 | climate, birding even. I could go on. One thing that stood out to me though was that the |
1:19.8 | conversations tended not to be about what we must do, but how do we do it and how do we do it |
1:26.5 | bigger? At scale, be bolder. One of those big, bold |
1:32.4 | propositions is a fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty. Just like nuclear non-proliferation, the idea is |
1:41.0 | getting countries to agree to stop expanding fossil fuel production. |
1:46.0 | So far, 13 countries are on board. The biggest is Colombia. |
1:52.0 | And on the stage at a rooftop restaurant in Times Square, |
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