Hi everybody. Today we have a very special guest, Marguerite Westaga, who leads the European Commission for competition.

Now, Marguerite has spearheaded many antitrust cases against the most powerful companies in the world, including Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon, meta.

And I'm sure, Marguerite, that all CEOs in the world get proper nerves when your name shows up in their inbox.

Big welcome to this podcast.

Well, thank you very much.

And, of course, I hope that they completely keep their calm because they like competition

and they know that they're on the right side of competition law.

There we go. Now, you have a very long title. What is your mandate? Well, basically, as you say,

I enforce European competition law, but also I have sort of a coordinating responsibility

for Europe making the best use of digital

technology. So making sure that technology serves people. And the tool to make that happen is,

of course, that you can trust technology. What is the aim of regulation? Well, I think that if you look at how Europe approaches new technology,

we tend to be more risk-averse than in other parts of our planet.

And for instance, our AI regulation.

The point of that is to make sure that we can trust

when AI is being used in a situation where it may be critical. If a municipality is using

AI to decide who can get a social benefit, then you really need to make sure that there is a human

in the loop and that you can trust the AI to get it right. And this is not theory because we have

had the first scandal. If you look at the piece of legislation like the Dental Services Act,

it obliges service providers to make sure that their services are safe.

That, for instance, Instagram cannot provoke mental illnesses, that TikTok or Twitter cannot

be used to undermine our democracy.

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