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The Dr. John Delony Show

Conflict Expert: Simple Frameworks to Make Hard Conversations Easier (With Jefferson Fisher)

The Dr. John Delony Show

Ramsey Network

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Relationships

4.85.9K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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On today’s episode, John Delony sits down with attorney and conversation expert Jefferson Fisher to discuss why winning arguments should not be your end goal. Next Steps: 👨‍💼 Learn more about Jefferson Fisher. 👨‍⚖️ Follow Jefferson on Instagram and subscribe to his YouTube channel. 📙 Preorder The Next Conversation: Argue Less, Talk More on Amazon. 📞 Ask John a question! Call 844-693-3291 or send us a message. 📚 Building a Non-Anxious Life 📝 Anxiety Test  📚 Own Your Past, Change Your Future  ❓ Questions for Humans Conversation Cards  💭 John's Free Guided Meditation  🤘🏼 The Dr. John Delony Show Merch Connect With Our Sponsors: 🌱 Get 10% off your first month of BetterHelp. 🔴 Get 15% off with code DELONY at Bon Charge. 🌿 Get up to 40% off with code DELONY at Cozy Earth.  🔒 Get 20% off when you join DeleteMe. 😇 Go to Hallow for a 90-day free trial. 💤 Visit Helix Sleep for special offers! 🥤 Get 20% off with code DELONY at Organifi.  💪 Get 25% off your order at Thorne.  🏋️ Go to Trainwell to get started! Explore More From Ramsey Network: 🎙️ The Ramsey Show 💸 The Ramsey Show Highlights   🍸 Smart Money Happy Hour 💡 The Rachel Cruze Show 💰 George Kamel 🪑 Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman 📈 EntreLeadership   Ramsey Solutions Privacy Policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You set yourself up for failure when you try to begin with the pleasantry, the small talk, the soft stuff.

0:10.7

So how was your day?

0:11.6

It's great.

0:12.2

Oh, yeah.

0:12.5

It was like, good?

0:13.1

Oh, did you see John today?

0:14.4

And then way up.

0:15.7

And then you go, exactly.

0:16.9

If you haven't heard the end of it, you haven't heard the heart of it.

0:19.2

I've never considered that, dude.

0:21.2

That's a fascinating take, Jefferson.

0:22.8

I'm going to have to stew on that one.

0:29.1

What in the world is going on?

0:31.4

This is John.

0:32.7

The Dr. John Deloney's show, so grateful that you are with us.

0:36.1

And, dude, you are in for it today.

0:38.9

You're in for it today. Today is a special, special day for me. I sit down with my friend.

0:44.6

We're running it back with the great and powerful and almost all-knowing Jefferson Fisher.

0:52.0

Millions and millions and millions of people follow him on the internet. He is a licensed

0:57.4

attorney in the Houston area in South Texas, and he's got a thriving practice. And a few years ago,

1:04.8

he got in his car and started making helpful little notes for people to use on how to communicate

1:10.6

well. And it exploded exploded and we had him

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