So Birdo, I thought we would do another episode about coronavirus stuff because a lot of people are still

wondering how to feel about this and people are having a lot of feelings about it and I don't think we're going to say this is how you're

supposed to feel or this is what you're supposed to think but I think there is a way

to kind of systematically walk ourselves through this situation that helps us to provide a way of thinking

about it, a way of feeling about it, a way of managing our emotions, and gives us

something to do. I've developed a model, I did an episode about it a couple weeks ago,

but I've further developed it with people, clients, and other people and myself.

And I thought I'd walk you through this system and see what you think about it.

What do you say?

Yeah, that sounds great.

This is the Psychology and Seattle Podcast.

I'm your host, Dr Kirk Honda, I'm a therapist and a professor. My name is Umberto Castagna and I manufacture little things that you can use to

entertain yourself when you're in lockdown.

So this, I want to read an email from an anonymous person from Boston.

She's a psychologist and a patron and she's writing, she wrote this today.

I'm here in Boston hunkered down with my twin kindergartners and were social distancing.

I listen to the podcast all the time.

I know you are all in another area heavily impacted by COVID and you seem to have a pretty calm healthy

attitude. I have to tell you I'm having a really rough time. I feel like I'm holding

a horrible secret. I'm sure that this is going to last 18 months and about 5 million

Americans are going to die. I've been tracking the data carefully and don't see any

way this gets better until we have a vaccine that our

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