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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, power and prejudices.

This year, 2024, is an election year in America, a presidential election year.

And so we will be doing two podcasts a week, rather than our usual one, because we want to

and because we know you can't get enough Americano in your life.

I am very pleased to be joined today by Galen Drook,

who is host and producer of the 538 Politics Podcast,

as well as a frequent guest on ABC News and other places.

And indeed, we've had him on the Americano podcast before.

So Galen, welcome back.

Thank you for coming on.

Thanks so much for having me. Great pleasure. We're going to talk about what else,

Taylor Swift and her possible role in the 2024 presidential election. And I want to talk to you

about this, Gaylon, not just because I'm superficially interested in such things, but also because

the New York Times, I think this week reported that Taylor Swift is a top priority for the Biden-Harris

campaign. They're quite into influencers, and they see her endorsement as potentially quite

decisive in this election, or that's how it's being spun.

And, of course, this has prompted much media interest,

lots of fury among conservatives who think that she's some sort of sinister democratic operative

and that perhaps her relationship with Travis Kelsey,

who's a tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs,

who are now going to the Super Bowl, is some sort of op, some sort of sinister

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