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The Dig

Counterculture to Cyberculture with Fred Turner

The Dig

Daniel Denvir

News, Politics

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2021

⏱️ 125 minutes

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Summary

How the 60s counterculture went on to make the techno-utopian ideology that suffuses our techno-dystopian reality. Dan interviews Fred Turner on his classic From Counterculture to Cyberculture: Stewart Brand, the Whole Earth Network, and the Rise of Digital Utopianism. Support this podcast at Patreon.com/TheDig

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Welcome to The Dig, a podcast from Jacobin Magazine. My name is Daniel Denver,

1:09.6

and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island. Why do people think about technology

1:15.9

and computers the way that they do? That is the puzzle that Fred Turner answers in his classic book

1:22.4

from counter-culture to cyberculture, Stuart Brand, the whole earth network, and the rise of digital

1:28.9

utopianism. Turner writes, quote, for the marchers of the free speech movement as for so many other

1:36.6

Americans throughout the 1960s, computers loomed as technologies of dehumanization, of centralised

1:44.4

bureaucracy, and the rationalisation of social life, and ultimately of the Vietnam War.

1:53.3

Two decades after the end of the Vietnam War and the fading of the American counter-culture,

1:58.8

computers somehow seemed poised to bring to life the counter-cultural dream of empowered

2:04.9

individualism, collaborative community, and spiritual communion. We have come to take all these

2:12.1

meanings, at least until recently, as inevitable products of computer and information technology,

2:18.0

as though the ideology was imminent to the technology in some inherent way. But like so many things,

2:25.3

it only seemed inevitable in retrospect. So where does the techno utopian ideology that has long

2:31.8

animated our techno dystopic world come from? The idea that the internet is a community, that the

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