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Factually! with Adam Conover

Criminal Gangs Run the Sheriff's Department with Jessica Pishko

Factually! with Adam Conover

Headgum

Comedy

4.42.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2024

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

When it comes to police reform, one of the most glaring and urgent issues is the unchecked power of sheriff departments. Once elected, sheriffs face almost no oversight and are nearly impossible to remove from office. This lack of accountability has led to widespread corruption, with some departments acting as though they’re above the law. Even more disturbing is the existence of actual police gangs, like those found within the LA County Sheriff’s Department, operating with impunity under this broken system. This week, Adam sits down with lawyer and journalist Jessica Pishko, author of The Highest Law in the Land: How the Unchecked Power of Sheriffs Threatens Democracy, to explore how sheriffs went from being iconic figures in the American imagination to becoming some of the most corrupt and dangerous forces in the country. Find Jessica's book at factuallypod.com/books

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0:00.0

This is a headgum podcast.

0:05.8

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0:14.5

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0:18.0

Price and participation may vary for a limited time only.

0:19.9

I don't know the truth. I don't know the way. I don't know what to think. I don't know what to say.

0:31.6

Yeah, but that's all right. That's okay. I don't know anything.

0:40.7

Hello and welcome to Factually.

0:42.2

I'm Adam Conover.

0:43.0

Thanks so much for joining me on the show again.

0:44.9

This week we're talking about law enforcement.

0:47.4

You know, there's a really weird thing about law enforcement in America.

0:51.4

We have a structure that almost no other country does. In many parts of

0:56.3

this country, you'll have a police department, the leader of which is appointed by the mayor, right?

1:00.9

But then you will separately also have a sheriff's department, which does basically the same thing,

1:06.1

except that the sheriff is an elected official who's accountable to no one but himself or herself, but

1:12.1

really mostly himself.

1:14.1

Uh, that's strange, right?

1:16.1

It's strange that we have two departments that are structured differently that do basically

1:20.4

the same thing.

1:21.8

Why is that?

1:22.9

Also consider this, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department is famous for being the largest

1:27.1

sheriff's department in the country, but it's also famous for its rich tradition of scandal,

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