I'm Alan Alder, and this is clear and vivid conversations about connecting and communicating.

I came into this episode, Howard Hart, who was a stadium beer vendor for 30 plus years thinking, this is going to be

quirky, it's going to be fun, we'll talk about sports, we'll talk about beer. And it was anything

but that. It was this beautiful tale of a guy who found meaning in his work. And part of the

meaning came from community. He worked the same section of stands for so many years in Baltimore that

he came to new families, sometimes multiple generations of families, I mean to the point where

they're trading Christmas cards with each other. And I remember for me personally, after that

interview, I just knew like this show is something I have to do. You know, this is just too important.

It's too interesting.

I have to make this happen.

That's Dan Heath.

He's a best-selling author of business books,

and one day he realized that he knew nothing about the work lives,

what people actually do with their work,

of even his friends and neighbors.

And when you come to think of it, that's true of most of us.

I really look forward to talking with you because your podcast, what it's like to be.

It's such an unusual one. I think it puts us in touch with people that we experience in an ordinary

day, but we don't really know what they're going through.

What's the range of people you talk to on the show?

We have talked to everyone from a welder to a Secret Service agent, to a cattle rancher, to a couples therapist, to an archaeologist, to a dog trainer.

I mean, it is a true cross-section of the world's careers.

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