Hi there, it's Alistair Campbell here, and before you listen to our leading interview with David Badil, just a word of warning,

even to those of you who may be used to my Malcolm Tucker-esque approach to language, this one does contain some very strong language from the off.

So if you're listening with children in the back of the car or running around the kitchen, you might want to plug in your headphones, but do enjoy the show.

Welcome to another episode of the rest of this politics leading with me, Alistair Campbell, and with me, Rory Stewart, with a, how do we describe him, cultural icon?

Certainly was in the old days.

Okay, that's bad already, was.

It was a cultural icon with the old footballs coming home and all that.

So comedian, first off, but has become kind of quite a serious cultural figure.

Well, let me, let me reach you the first bit of his latest book and see if anyone can guess.

I am an insomniac. There are many potential reasons for this, most of them probably physical.

But if you're going to be psychoanalytical about it and look for something in my childhood, I'd say it was to do with death.

So he's insomniac, slightly worried about death, the book, which is not yet published, I think.

It's bound to be published called The God Desire.

So we're going to find out whether he does or he doesn't do God.

And I think we'll probably give it away. I think we've given away with the football stuff.

What have I spoken? No, my voice is very recognizable.

I guess so. Okay. So we're going to say who you are.

You are David Badil.

Yeah. I mean, otherwise the podcast and becomes a who is this thing.

Which I think, you know, it's a whole other brag.

Well, that is a good title for a podcast. Who is this?

Yeah. So why are we here, David?

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