David Pakman Breaks Down How the Right Built a Media Machine That Works

The Chris Cuomo Project

Chris Cuomo

News, News Commentary, Politics, Government

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🗓️ 25 March 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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David Pakman (host, “The David Pakman Show,” and author, “The Echo Machine: How Right-Wing Extremism Created a Post-Truth America”) joins Chris Cuomo to discuss how right-wing media built a post-truth movement that helped propel Trump’s political dominance. They explore why conservative digital platforms are outperforming liberal ones, how the left’s messaging failures have contributed to election losses, and what needs to change. Pakman and Cuomo also examine the appeal of the manosphere, the role of masculinity in modern politics, and how perception has overtaken reality in the public discourse. Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Join Chris Ad-Free On Substack: http://thechriscuomoproject.substack.com Support our sponsors: AG1 AG1 is offering new subscribers a FREE $76 gift when you sign up. You’ll get a Welcome Kit, a bottle of D3K2 AND 5 free travel packs in your first box. So make sure to check out DrinkAG1.com/ccp to get this offer! iRestore Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code chris at https://www.irestorelaser.com/chris #irestorepod Factor Eat smart with Factor. Get started at FACTORMEALS.COM/FACTORPODCAST and use code FACTORPODCAST to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. Shopify Upgrade your business and get the same checkout AllBirds or Aviator Nation uses. Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/chrisc to upgrade your selling today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	It's really important to identify who's making a difference in different digital media spaces.
0:07.0	I have a difference maker for you today.
0:10.0	I'm Chris Cuomo.
0:11.0	Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project.
0:13.0	David Pacman, by all metrics, is killing it on digital media.
0:19.0	He is a leading generational thought leader on the left. Why?
0:27.2	That's why I wanted to talk to him. He has a book coming out, The Echo Machine, and it is a look
0:34.4	at how the right wing built up resonance and how it has created a post-truth America.
0:42.5	What does that mean to David?
0:43.5	How does he think it happened?
0:45.1	What does that mean for the left?
0:46.3	Why aren't they equally culpable?
0:47.7	How are they different?
0:48.6	How are they better?
0:49.4	Is there such a thing anymore?
0:51.1	I wanted to try to scratch the surface of why he believes what he believes. I think
0:56.5	that's the most fertile space in understanding the opinion world that is digital media. These
1:04.0	aren't guys who are wowing you with their reporting or even really their perspective on their experiences,
1:11.7	because most of them don't come from politics or journalism.
1:14.5	But their ideas are rooted in a sense of identity and a sense of purpose.
1:20.3	And David Pacman is head of field for a reason.
1:23.7	So let's hear what he thinks his role is in the Echo Machine.
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