Defining A Woman
Politics Unpacked
Anna Covell
4.4 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 16 April 2025
⏱️ 36 minutes
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The contentious issue of gender identity is back in the spotlight, following the UK Supreme Court's ruling on legal definition of woman - but how will this impact politics in Britain? Could Labour lose votes by becoming too gender critical?
Hugo Rifkind unpacks the politics of the day with Robert Crampton and Alice Thomson.
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| 0:41.0 | Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day from asking what is a woman to the banter ban. |
| 0:43.7 | And joining me now are two of the finest banterers and at least one woman, so far as we know, |
| 0:47.9 | from the Times and the Sunday Times, Robert Crampton and Alice Thompson. Welcome both. |
| 0:51.4 | Morning. |
| 0:51.8 | Hello. Thank you both for being with me. |
| 0:53.5 | We begin with the news that the Supreme Court has unanimously ruled that the definition of |
| 0:57.3 | women in law refers to somebody born female. |
| 1:00.8 | That rules against the Scottish government's legal advice, which suggests that trans people |
| 1:03.9 | with a gendered recognition significant were entitled to sex-based provisions. |
| 1:08.7 | The deputy president of the Supreme Court, Lord Hodge, says that that would |
| 1:11.8 | create a number of legal inconsistencies, including dividing the rights of trans people. |
| 1:16.9 | The interpretation favoured by the EHRC and the Scottish ministers would create two subgroups |
| 1:23.3 | within those who share the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, giving trans persons who possess a |
| 1:31.1 | gender recognition certificate greater rights than those who do not. Well, this draws to a close |
| 1:37.3 | a long-running and complex legal case which began in 2018. Alice, there's so much going on with this, |
| 1:43.4 | but it seems to me one way of approaching it is for some people, the judge was very clear this is not a victory for some people and defeat for somebody else. That's not true. It is very clear, some people will very much see it as a victory. Some feminist campaigners will very much see it as a victory. Meanwhile, for some trans people, many trans people, probably most |
| 2:02.6 | trans people, of all ages, this will be considered devastating. What's your response generally |
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