All right. Hey, Dimitra, thanks for joining me today.

Yes.

All right. So what we're going to be talking to about today is

whole sign houses.

A few days ago, on February 4th,

Debra Holding released this new lecture where she claims

that whole sign houses is a modern invention that didn't exist

in ancient astrology and also makes some statements about

project hindsight and things that happen at project hindsight.

And I wanted to talk to you today to get some of your perspective

on that as somebody that was actually around in the 1990s

and was there to experience and witness some of what happened

in first hand because I think some of your recollections

are different than what was stated in that lecture.

Right. That's exactly the case.

And it's true.

We all bring our own perspectives to any event.

But I was startled quite a few times

and listening to Deb's presentation with her characterization

of what was going on because I remember it's something

altogether different.

And I had spent considerable time being present at both

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