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I want to ask you because you've had a lot of experience with the fanatics, Douglas Murray, and I've seen you on BBC take apart some of the stupid people.

In the United States, speech is protected by the Brandenburg

test. I've been teaching con law for almost 30 years. And for a speech to be punishable,

it has to not only have the explicit purpose of causing violence, but have the present ability

to do so. It seems to me a lot of the pro-evil demonstrations past that line in the sand, but we have not yet resolved to end those kinds of speeches by denying them the parade permits that they need, even though it often ends up in violence.

Do you think we ought to go in that direction?

You know, as listeners can tell, I'm from Britain, and there's a different standard in the UK.

There are laws, for instance, against the glorification of terrorism.

That said, those laws are not far. The police

all too rarely actually go for people guilty of that. They can arrest housewives for writing

something critical of the police on Instagram and so on. But many of the people who are actually terrorist supporters get away with it.

Of course, there's a different standard in the US,

but I've been rather struck by some of the debate on this in recent weeks,

because it seems to me there's several things, and you know this much better than I do,

but the first thing is that, of course, the protections that an American citizen has

are different from the protections that somebody, for instance, coming to the U.S. on a green card or a visa has.

Correct.

And I think that Secretary Rubio was absolutely right the other week when he said in a press conference,

you know, if you've come to the United States and you've pretended to us, you're coming to study,

but actually you spend your time inciting violence on campus and saying you want to overthrow the government and the system of the

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