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Capitalism moves mountains, sometimes literally.

It shapes our lives in so many ways.

But more and more people are asking,

is capitalism the solution or the problem? I'm John Bewin, host of C-N-On-R-R-R-R-A-B-B-B-B-B-B-T-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-T-B-B-B-B-B-B-E-R-B-E. Listen to our season seven, capitalism. Available now wherever you listen. That's S-C-E-N-E on radio.

On Sunday afternoon, when I got Talking Points memos's Josh Marshall on the line.

My question for him was simple.

Do you think the government should be open right now?

I think no.

I think there should have been some sort of fight over this,

and probably the government would have started to shut down.

You think the government needed like a pause, kind of like a restart the computer situation?

Kind of, I guess so. I guess that's the way to put it.

I asked Josh this question, because there's an alternative timeline of the last few days,

a timeline in which the Democrats in the Senate took a hard vote and the federal government closed its doors.

The Democrats would have been rejecting what's called a continuing resolution to keep the lights on in Washington.

To keep the government open, Donald Trump and the Republicans needed Democrats, even though

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