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Hey, what's going on? This is Rad, the host of Software Radio, and I have a very special guest today.

One that I've been really working with, trying to get him on the show, and he finally was able to get on.

I'm super excited to have Derek Libert with me, and he is the author of Unlikely Heroes, which is about the men, the four men specifically,

whose horsemen that surrounded Franklin Delano Roosevelt during the FDR time when we're talking, you know, World War II is going on, the new deals being brought up, democracy is on thin ice.

It's almost like history is repeating itself right now, but I want to welcome you to the show, and thank you, Derek.

Well, thank you, Rad, indeed.

Now, with that said, do you see being such a, you know, a person who knows just about everything to go on with FDR during that time, do you see any similarities to today, and then that just just like hit you right off the bat?

Absolutely so, and that's one driving reason that brought me to this subject.

The similarities, perhaps not as extreme between the Great Depression years, the World War II years, and today.

We're encountering extremities of our own with economic turmoil, inequality, and altered American role in the world, as well as other issues that were significant for that long,

and that was about 12 year presidency of Franklin Roosevelt.

One can even think of climate change in that era in the mid 30s.

It was the dust bowl that eviterated so much Midwestern farmland.

One can think of the challenges of a war in Europe, which we now, at a different level, are encountering again,

or military preparedness, and a severely divided America, certainly during the Depression.

We talked about polarization today.

It was extraordinarily polarized then, oftentimes, between halves and halves knots.

All the extremity of those dozen years, one can indeed extract lessons for today, lessons on leadership, on preparedness, on how we can better unify ourselves.

Right, so we can kind of take the lessons that we have learned and apply them today to stop that situation from happening.

Back in the day, 30s and 40s, and the war going on, even early in the late 20s, they had a pandemic.

They had 1918 with the flu, and then they had the roaring 20s, where they had a recover from the same type of scenarios that we're currently dealing with today.

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