Welcome back to another episode of Five Minutes in Church History.

For this episode, we're at Ligonier's National Conference here in Orlando.

And I managed to pull away one of our speakers, Dr. Harry Reader.

Dr. Reader is the pastor at Breyerwood Presbyterian Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

He is the author of the Leadership Dynamic and a great book on church revitalization

from Embers to Flame. Dr. Reader, it's great to have you.

Steve's good. If I could say they republished or put it into a second printing

and they changed the name from the leadership dynamic to an added about 20% material.

Nice. So now it's called three-day leadership.

Three-day leadership. Right. Well, it's great to have you. We're grateful for these books.

Grateful for your pastoral service. And I'm going to give you a real gift, Dr. Reader.

I'm going to relieve you of your pastoral duties for a time.

And we're going to send you off to a deserted island.

I have a couple of elders that have suggested that. That's good, yeah.

Well, they let us know that. Okay.

But we're going to send you off to this deserted island.

And you can take only five books with you. Right.

But what five books would you take with you?

So I would always take preaching and preachers and I would take

the Discipline of Grace by Jerry Bridges, which is my go-to discipleship book

when I'm working with people. And preaching and preachers was the great.

Martin Lloyd Jones, his lectures at Westminster Seminary,

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