This is Lou Elizondo and you are listening to That UFO podcast.

Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast.

Joining me today, my guest is an author of multiple books,

including the acclaimed American Cosmic Encounters and more.

She is a professor of religious studies at the University of

North Carolina and Wilmington and in the last few years, one of my favorite people to speak to

on the UFO phenomenon. Welcome back to the podcast, Dr. Diana Walsh Pusilka. How are you, Diana?

I'm great. Thanks for having me back, Andy. I would have you on weekly, Diana.

And honestly, I could fill enough shows to do that. So yeah, if your diary ever dries up,

which I doubt that's something it can be arranged. But there's a lot I want to get through,

Diana, and the kind of time we've got together. So many listeners got in touch, so many

different topics,

we could jump around. But I think I have to start asking you a little bit about the here and now,

because 2025 with the UFO topic has started off with a little bit of a bang, and people are

struggling, I think, to keep up with all the different directions, the conversations going in.

So I want to get first off

your thoughts on the Skywatcher group. Jake Barber, of course, came forward with Ross Coulter.

I imagine you were kind of, you saw that interview, I'm guessing, yeah? Of course, of course. Yes. Yes.

So he came forward in a pretty big wave via News Nation, and he claimed he was part of, you know, a UFO retrieval program.

If folks haven't seen that yet, perhaps you're newer to the topic.

He's had some incredible experiences.

First then, what were your thoughts on Jake's story itself?

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