I'm Fitzgaw.

And you're listening to a preview of Derbeck Derri's Plus.

Today, we've got a conversation with author, adventure, podcast host, journalist, and

all-around badass Shelly Stanger.

You may have heard of Shelly through her podcast, which is, you know, in the same spaces

ours, wild ideas worth living.

The podcast basically looks at people's ideas and how they followed through the lens

of the outdoor space.

And Shelly's talked to a lot of people.

She's had a lot of experience in picking apart how people make things happen in their

life.

She's a new book out, Wheel to Wild.

And it covers how people engage with those ideas and make them happen.

We sat down to chat about that.

I'm Fitzgaw.

And you're listening to the Derri's Plus.

And I'm interested with all the people you've talked to, right?

The ray of staggering of people kind of living out there, not necessarily dreams, but their

ideas.

They're living out these different paths through life, particularly around the outdoors.

Do the ideas share common DNA?

You know, is there an element of somebody saying to themselves, like, I don't want to think

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