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Welcome to the Dig, a podcast from Jacobin magazine. My name is Daniel Denver, and I'm broadcasting

from Providence, Rhode Island. Today's episode is my interview with Matt Christmas of Chappell

Trap House. Many of you are probably Chappell listeners and fans. Many others of you, I'm sure,

are not, and perhaps only no Chappell by reputation. Whether or not you listen,

this interview puts Matt's thinking into the digs, extensive, and exhaustive format.

The result is a broad and comprehensive analysis of how American history brought us to this

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