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How are things? I've been looking forward to this for a long time. How do you really why?

Yeah. Well, you ask really good questions. You think deeply. You just question the

assumptions of the world constantly, which is really annoying if you're my wife. Yeah, but that's

what we're built on. It's just questioning assumptions. So it's fun

to have this conversation. Yeah, awesome. Well, you guys are, well, Chris, you are the creator of Wise Phone.

Yep, we started three years ago. Yep. And John, your role is, I don't even know. I don't know why I am here.

John is the president. We just found John on the street. He's actually the guy in charge.

Like I think about stuff.

Oh, so you're the president of the company.

That's your official title.

That's right.

John does stuff.

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