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So why are you a disruptor of the new age community, Jill?

Oh, that's a big long story, that one.

Let's just start it off right.

Why not?

Yeah, look, I mean, long story short, I've spent, I've spent the last 20 years kind of awakened to, you know, new age

teachings. That kind of happened around my dad's death. And then when my brother died five

years ago, I really got awoken to a greater level of understanding. And since then,

I guess I just, you know, I used to work for a famous meditation teacher and I saw in that

community that there were so many people struggling and you know

there was some people having amazing transformations for sure but there was just only a few people

that were that were having that transformation at anyone retreat and then the other thousand

were struggling and so when my brother died um

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