Diss and Tell | Tyra Banks and Naomi Campbell | 1
Even the Rich
Wondery
4.3 • 11.5K Ratings
🗓️ 2 April 2024
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
Supermodel Naomi Campbell ruled the runway until Tyra Banks burst onto the scene in the 90s, challenging her crown. This ignited a media storm, pitting two iconic women of color against each other in a rivalry that shaped the fashion world for three decades. From backstage trash-talking to glamorous yacht photo shoots and a dramatic reality TV face-off, we'll peel back the layers of their feud. Was this rivalry fueled by personal ambition, or was it a mirror reflecting the underlying racism in the fashion world?
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| 0:00.0 | Matt, did you have a rival in high school, someone that you just straight up did not get along with. That's two different things to me. |
| 0:15.1 | I had a rival who wasn't like an enemy it was just like you know I was an over-achieving kid |
| 0:26.8 | and I wanted to be valedictorian I wanted to be the one |
| 0:32.0 | who was the best nerd and Andre was always one step ahead of me. Andre. |
| 0:33.0 | Andre. |
| 0:35.0 | I don't know why is such a funny name for your rival. |
| 0:40.0 | Well, this view that we're covering today sort of mimics that high school dynamic, |
| 0:44.6 | but it more so involves like a senior in the theater department suddenly becoming |
| 0:49.2 | threatened by a freshman who can belt or something. |
| 0:52.2 | I was going to say, oh oh so it's like the cool kids |
| 0:54.8 | instead of the nerds but no theater kids are still nerds. No what world are you |
| 1:00.1 | living in? We are going to begin this feud by jumping back to 2005 and |
| 1:06.8 | we're actually going to begin in a place that I imagine is very familiar to you |
| 1:10.8 | which is the set of the Tyra Banks show. I love that every |
| 1:17.1 | episode you find a new and different way to call me gay. Yeah the ACLU |
| 1:22.4 | will have to deal with me. Yeah, the ACLU will have to deal with me when this series ends. But you know, |
| 1:28.1 | it's fairly popular at the time and Tyra Banks is obviously the host and usually there's a live studio audience as I'm sure you have seen in many of viral YouTube clips. |
| 1:40.0 | But today things are a little different. |
| 1:42.8 | The studio is empty and Tyra is looking dead on into the camera |
| 1:47.8 | and she definitely has the same energy as like a news anchor about to announce the death of a world leader or like a natural |
| 1:56.0 | disaster. |
| 1:57.0 | Uh-huh. |
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