Hello and welcome to diving into the wreckage, where we talk about the wreckage.

And by this, I mean the ship of socialism that has hit a rock of sectarianism yet again.

The ship of fools.

And splintered into whatever the fuck is happening right now.

It's more and more diving into the wreckage is becoming like a collaboration between VarnVlog and Antifada?

Because we have Andy really up tonight.

Andy, of course, as everybody knows,

you guys have all been Andy fans like Varn and I for many years.

Andes.

They're called.

Yeah, inveterate trotspotter.

So Andy is really good here because, I don't know, we've read, we all read a lot of stuff for this, but one question, maybe we could ask ourselves in the course of discussing sex and degeneration is neo-Stalinism, right? Neal like this new Marxism- Leninism, does it deserve the trotspotting treatment?

Are we going to see like all the crackups and splits and breaks?

Only a true connoisseur like Andy will be able to know the difference between the American

Communist Party and the PSL and the Danny Scholes.

Crazy. Dan Collins and World Can't Wade and the SEP or those trots.

I don't know. I did a lot of research into like Latin American Trotskyism for the book

that I wrote. And that was a few years ago. So I'm still kind of spotty on, you know, that knowledge has somewhat faded away. And yeah, in terms of like stuff in the U.S. and Europe, I, you know, I, I know some basic stuff. So I wouldn't call myself an expert on, you know, every little sect. But I will say that, um, the idea that Troskiists are unique in their splitting and

sectarianism and cultishness, maybe that was true in the 30s and 40s and 50s, but

Stalinism is the same way today.

I, I don't really see the difference.

There's hardly even a political difference.

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