Coming up in this episode on Follow Him.

I'm thinking of John 9 with the blind man,

why does God let us sometimes suffer for so long?

When he is going to heal us or he's going to make something right,

they said, who sinned? Him or his parents? That was the question posed,

with the blind man and the Savior said

neither, but that the works of God may be made manifest in him. This story, I love it so much because

it shows that the works of God prevail. They will always be made manifest even in our mess.

Hello, my friends. Welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name's Hank Smith. I'm your host, and I'm here with my co-host, John, by the way. Now, John, listen to this as I describe you.

A man who possesses the mildness of a lamb and the integrity of Job.

Now, John, that's Joseph Smith's description of his brother Hiram, and I thought, that is John, by the way, right there.

You've known me this well, and you would still say something like that.

Absolutely.

The mildness of a lamb, the integrity of Job.

He goes on to say about Hiram, and in short, the meekness and humility of Christ,

and I love him with that love that is stronger than death. Isn't that a great statement

from Joseph about Hiram? Wow. John, we are joined today by Sister Chelsea Chipman, been a teacher

in the church's educational system for 15 years. She is now a teacher of teachers, John. That's how much

seminary and institute love Chelsea. They say, make more of teachers, John. That's how much seminary and institute love Chelsea.

They say, make more of you. Make more Chelsea's. Chelsea, thanks for being here today.

So excited to be here with you. Thank you both. I'm just excited to hang out with Hank and John.

We are grateful that you would take the time to be with us. John, when you think of either the lost manuscript,

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