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Hi everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm

Kara Swisher. Scott is off today. Who knows where he is? But in his place, we have someone so

much better, Katie Drummond, the global editorial director of Wired. Wired has always been a

powerhouse, but particularly in the era of Trump,

Elon and Doge, which I'm calling Doggy now, and its coverage has become required reading.

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