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Bad Gays

Dong Xian

Bad Gays

Huw Lemmey & Ben Miller

History

4.6 • 842 Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

There’s power in being the king who sits upon the throne, but also power in being the throne upon who the king sits. This was true as ever  in the court of Emperor Ai in Han Dynasty China in 22 BC. We’re going to be talking about someone who in 21 short years of life rose from a low class status to being one of the most powerful imperial officials in China – all by becoming the favorite of the Emperor. Their passion was so renowned it led to the creation of what remains a Chinese idiomatic expression for homosexuality. But we’ll also be talking about prevailing bisexuality in the Han dynasty court, the reception culture of this story both in China and outside it then and now, and how people in both China and the West have adopted this story. Pre-order our paperback now for a free e-book! ----more---- Howard Chiang, “Epistemic Modernity and the Emergence of Homosexuality in China: Epistemic Modernity and the Emergence of Homosexuality in China,” Gender & History 22, no. 3 (November 2010): 629–57, https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1468-0424.2010.01612. Bret Hinsch, Passions of the Cut Sleeve: The Male Homosexual Tradition in China, Reprint edition (Berkely, Calif.: University of California Press, 1992) Martin W. Huang, “Male-Male Sexual Bonding and Male Friendship in Late Imperial China,” Journal of the History of Sexuality 22, no. 2 (2013): 312–31 M. P. Lau and M. L. Ng, “Homosexuality in Chinese Culture,” Culture, Medicine and Psychiatry 13, no. 4 (December 1, 1989): 465–88, https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00052053 Tze-lan Deborah Sang, “Translating Homosexuality: The Discourse of Tongxing’ai in Republican China (1912–1949),” in Translating Homosexuality: The Discourse of Tongxing’ai in Republican China (1912–1949) (Duke University Press, 2000), 276–304 James D. Seymour, review of Review of Passions of the Cut Sleeve: The Male Homosexual Tradition in China, by Bret Hinsch, Journal of the History of Sexuality 3, no. 1 (1992): 141–43 Ping-Hsuan Wang, “I’m a ‘Cut-Sleeve’: Coming out from a POC Perspective,” Narrative Inquiry 31, no. 2 (July 12, 2021): 338–57, https://doi.org/10.1075/ni.19088.wan Intersections: Interview with Samshasha, Hong Kong’s First Gay Rights Activist and Author,” accessed May 15, 2023, http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue4/interview_mclelland.html. Our intro music is Arpeggia Colorix by Yann Terrien, downloaded from WFMU's Free Music Archive and distributed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Our outro music is by DJ Michaeloswell Graphicsdesigner.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to bad gays, a podcast all about evil and complicated queer people in history. My name's Hugh Lemmy. I'm a writer and author.

0:19.0

And I'm Ben Miller, a writer, researcher,

0:21.4

and member of the board of the Shvullis Museum in Berlin. Well, today, Hugh, we're going to be

0:25.8

talking about someone who emblematizes one of my favorite sentences that you've ever written.

0:31.6

And this is in our book, Bad Gaze, a Homosexual History. And the quote is, there's power in being the king who sits

0:39.3

upon the throne, but also power in being the throne upon whom the king sits.

0:44.9

Oh, yeah, about James I and the first and sixth. And so this was as true in the court of James

0:50.2

the first and sixth as it was in the true of the court of Emperor I in Han Dynasty China in 22 BC.

0:57.2

And so today we're going to be talking about someone who in only 21 years of life

1:01.5

rose from being a sort of low-level official to being one of the most powerful people in China,

1:08.7

all by becoming the favorite of the emperor.

1:11.8

And their passion was so renowned that it led to the creation of what remains until today,

1:17.5

a Chinese idiomatic expression for homosexuality.

1:21.1

But we'll also be talking about the prevailing bisexuality of the Han Dynasty Court,

1:26.4

the reception culture of this story, both in

1:28.6

China and outside it then and now, and how people in both China and the West have adopted

1:33.6

this story and used it for their own means.

1:36.0

Well, you know that favorites are my favorite.

1:39.0

Well, we have a very good favorite today.

1:42.4

So stories of Chinese imperial sodomy abounded in accounts written by early European

1:47.6

travelers to the Orient, and this was part of a dynamic in which the Orient was depicted as

1:52.2

feminized and decadent and ripe for both penetration and moral enforcement by Europeans. Jesuit missionaries,

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