Hello and welcome to trigonometry I'm Francis Foster I'm Constantine Kisson and this is the show for you if you're bored of people arguing on the internet over subjects they know nothing about it.

Trigonometry we don't pretend to be the experts, we ask the experts.

Here at the world famous Angel Comedy Club, our amazing expert guest this week is Dr.

Joanna Williams, who's the author of Women versus Feminism and the associate editor of Spike magazine.

Dr. Joanna Williams, welcome to Trigonometry.

Thank you for the author of women versus feminism. let's just get straight into that

I'm assuming that in part in partly in writing that you've had to define the word

feminism yes and what is your definition, I'm not one with reluctance. I'm not one.

Which I guess in of itself is a controversial thing to say as a woman,

I think it's often assumed, particularly if you're a educated woman, that you automatically

will be a feminist.

And when I say that I'm not a feminist, I think people think that that means that I'm all for women kind of staying at home in the

kitchen having children which is completely the opposite of what I think I

think women should be out there in the world making an impact on society

preferably changing the world as they go along but I think we don't need feminism to

do that anymore and I think it's got to the point where feminism is really holding women back because the

feminism that seems to be described as fourth wave feminism or intersectional feminism, but I think is actually the feminism

that fills guardian columns, fills school assemblies

on everyday sexism, just seems to be absolutely

determined to tell women that they're victims, that they're

disadvantaged, that they're oppressed in a way that just doesn't match up with the

reality of certainly of my existence and of all the women who I know it doesn't match up with the

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