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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Dr. Laurie Santos on Group Psychology, the Teen Brain, and Happiness

Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Pushkin Industries

Business, Society & Culture, Sports

4.69.8K Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Michael Lewis invites over Yale psychology professor Dr. Laurie Santos, host of The Happiness Lab at Pushkin, for a chat about what scientific research has to tell us about sports fandom, teenagers, and gambling.

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0:00.0

Pushkin.

0:09.6

Calling all Yellowstone fans.

0:12.1

Let's go to work.

0:14.3

Join Bobby Bones on the official Yellowstone podcast for exclusive cast interviews,

0:20.3

behind the scenes insights, and a deep dive into the themes that have made Yellowstone a cultural phenomenon.

0:26.9

Our family legacy is this ranch.

0:29.3

When I don't protect, I live my life.

0:31.2

Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:47.1

I'm Michael Lewis, and this is Against the Rules.

0:51.5

If you've been listening to this season on sports gambling, then you already know that at the

0:56.3

heart of everything is one thing, human psychology, how to understand the passion of fans,

1:03.6

how to play mind games with them.

1:05.8

It just so happens that there's another show in my neighborhood here at Pushkin that's all

1:10.4

about human psychology.

1:12.2

And what research tells us about our own minds. That's the Happiness Lab, hosted by Dr. Lori Santos.

1:23.7

Lori's a psychology professor at Yale, and a while back she did an episode that grabbed my attention.

1:29.6

It's called Nerd Out, The Happiness of Being a Fan.

1:33.8

It starts with the story of a woman who became obsessed with the British actor Benedict Cumberbatch, and it's delightful.

1:41.4

Here's Laurie asking the big questions about fan psychology. Could embracing a deep love

1:47.3

of a seemingly trivial thing and doing so openly and without guilt be the key to feeling more

1:52.6

connected and more present? Would each of us become a lot happier if we two could at least

1:57.9

metaphorically get Cumberbatched.

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