I'm Matt. Hey, I'm Steve. Hey, I'm John. This is the Sober Friends podcast. We're here for

The Sober Curious, the new guy, and the old timer. We're here to talk about the stuff anyone

looking to live, alcohol-free has to face day to day. Now we overcame those struggles. We speak

for no 12-step group, but we do try to remain anonymous. And not alone.

This is the sober friends podcast. If you don't have worries and anxiety, you are not a good

alcoholic and you're not a good, recovered alcoholic in good standing. I thought I'd be rid of this

when I went through the 12 steps. And Steve, I am not.

They still pop up.

How about you?

You have a lot more sobriety than me.

You've been in a program on and off for many decades more than me.

You must be cured.

Far from cured.

I do have a lot less stress and anxiety.

I think that might be where we are in our lives more than... far from cured, I do have a lot less stress and anxiety.

I think that might be where we are in our lives more than maybe anything else.

Because when I was at your point in your life, you know, when I was at your age and your point with three children, I had two.

I was about the same age.

And although I didn't work a program as well as you did at the time. I had a lot of anxiety, stress, all that kind of stuff

was coming out. So, you know, I'm older and, you know, got things, got the important stuff done so

far in my life. So I can relax a little bit bit more and I don't feel stressed out about things right

the financial and you know I'm not wealthy but the financial end is okay and so the day-to-day stuff

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