And when it comes to my sobriety, I realize, like, there's a lot of sayings in there. And, you know,

one of the sayings always says, if I'm, you know, if I'm coasting, I'm going downhill, right?

If I'm not, if I'm not trying to change, if I'm not trying to expand my sobriety, if I'm

not trying to expand my horizons, whatever that might be, if that's spiritual,

whatever that might be for you out there, that if I'm not working to do that, then I'm staying the

same. And staying the same, staying at the same place, we'll be okay for a while. But in the long run,

it's not going to work well for me. So I need to always think about that. And that's,

that's why I go to meetings. That's why I talk to other people. That's why I reach out.

That's why we do this podcast, right? So that we can, so that we can talk about these type of things.

I'm Matt. Hey, I'm Steve. Hey, I'm John. This is the Sober Friends podcast.

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We're here to talk about the stuff anyone looking to live, alcohol-free has to face day to day.

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Steve and I were at our Joe and Charlie last night. We talked a lot about change. It was the part,

if you know, the Joe and Charlie where Joe just goes, change in response to everything that

Charlie, change every single time.

And it brought up a lot.

You just can go so many different ways when you start hearing about change and alcoholism.

You have to change.

Your circumstances have to change.

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