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Hello and welcome to episode 2,220 of Effectively Wild, a fangrass baseball podcast brought to you by our

Patreon supporters. I'm a grelia fan graphs and I am joined by Ben Lindbergh of

the ringer Ben. How are you? I'm okay you you know, I anticipated that question. I molded over and I decided I'm okay.

Okay, that's good. Yeah. I mean, it's better than being bad I guess. I wish that you were doing fantastically but you know some days that's not that's

where you are no I can't quite go fantastic I don't want to exaggerate because

someday I really will be feeling fantastic and I will say

fantastic and I want that to mean something when I do. So we have playoffs

starting soon. Don't know if you've noticed. I'm sure you've been doing a bit of

planning for that so we will devote most of this

podcast to some playoff preview I did have one banter topic to propose which is this We talked about Jackson Job earlier this week. He subsequently made his debut for the Tigers,

pitched the scoreless inning on Wednesday. Wednesday was also the 50th anniversary of the first Tommy John surgery,

which was performed, as you may suspect, on Tommy John.

And that was performed or co-performed by Frank Job, no relation to Jackson Job as far as I know.

And yet it was a nice little coincidence that Job's made some news on Wednesday.

And so I was thinking, well, what if Dr. Frank Job the late

Frank Job had not helped pioneer that surgery? Where would we be today without

Tommy John's surgery? Would we be better off in some ways? Would we be totally worse off?

Would the epidemic of pitcher injuries that we've talked so much about just be worse than ever and the baseball landscape

would be littered with broken elbows and ended careers or do you think that the rise

of Tommy John surgery, the standardization, almost the routinization of it, has contributed to all the max effort pitching that we discuss and sometimes lament these days.

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