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Pod Save the World

Election 2024: Cooperation, Competition, or War with China?

Pod Save the World

Crooked Media

Politics, News

4.824.7K Ratings

🗓️ 26 October 2024

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In this special episode of Pod Save the World, Ben looks at the most important bilateral relationship in the world today: the new era of competition between the U.S. and China. Will the U.S. drift into outright conflict with China, or can we balance competition and cooperation? He reviews China’s attempt to reshape the global order, how the Biden administration has tried to get tougher on China through its trade policy, and how tensions over Taiwan could impact both our economic and military future. Ben is joined by Evan Medeiros, Professor of Asian Studies at Georgetown University, US Trade Representative Katherine Tai, and Ryan Hass, Chair of Taiwan Studies at the Brookings Institution.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to POTS of the World, I'm Ben Rhodes and this is another special episode in the lead

0:16.4

up to November's election where we're looking at what the stakes are for our foreign policy

0:20.3

and for the entire world in a Harris and Trump matchup.

0:23.0

Now over the last two episodes we talked about the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East.

0:28.0

Today we'll be talking about perhaps the biggest geopolitical competition in the world and one that threatens to turn into

0:34.8

another war. That's the relationship between the United States and China. There is no question that China

0:41.8

has emerged as the biggest competitor to the United States for global influence.

0:46.0

It has the world's second largest economy.

0:48.0

It has made massive investments in clean energy and technologies like artificial intelligence, which will determine the future.

0:55.2

It has rapidly modernized its military and is expanding its nuclear arsenal.

1:00.4

It is building a whole set of institutions like the bricks and the Belt Road Initiative

1:05.0

to challenge the US-led international order and has more influence in America in much of the global south.

1:11.0

And the Chinese Communist Party has an ideology that is in direct competition

1:15.8

with democracy.

1:18.4

Since Xi Jinping took power in 2013, China has become more hostile to the U.S. and its version of the international order.

1:25.0

And China has increased its threats and military presence in flash points, like the Taiwan Strait

1:30.1

in the South China Sea.

1:32.1

Since Donald Trump won the 2016 election, talking

1:34.9

tough on China has become part of American politics and policy for both

1:39.4

political parties. What's going to have and who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years.

1:49.0

I charge, I was the only president ever.

1:51.0

China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars and

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