Welcome to betrayal trauma recovery. This is Anne. Before I get to today's guest,

I want to talk about the progression of this podcast and how it's evolved over time.

You may hear in my voice that I'm so much more confident now and much happier than I had been

before. My trauma symptoms have reduced greatly. I still have hard days, but overall I'm doing

a lot better. Many of you who come to this podcast, you are brand new to finding out about your

husband's abuse, your brand new to finding out about maybe an affair he had or his pornography

use or something like that. And so for some of you I would recommend starting at the very beginning

of the podcast and listening to that evolution or the progression. You can find that on our website

at btr.org. You can listen to it in the opposite order. So starting with the oldest podcast first

and then working your way back to the present day, it's amazing when I go back and listen to those

first podcasts, how different I sound from, you know, four years ago. And it may help give you

hope that there's light at the end of the tunnel. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now,

but I'm still in the tunnel like all of you and we're all working through this together. So

just a thought for those of you who are new to the podcast to consider starting from the oldest

podcast first and working your way up to the most present podcast. I appreciate all of you who

have given a review or rating on Apple podcasts. If you haven't already and you're so inclined,

every single review helps women who are isolated find us. Women like you are searching for things

online. You know that's perhaps how you found betrayal trauma recovery. You were searching online

for answers and you found us. Other women are doing the same thing. We want them to find betrayal

trauma recovery rather than, you know, some article about how to improve their sex life or how to

improve communication because we know that when you go down the wrong path with abuse,

you end up in years of chaos and pain and cycle through that abuse. My goal and the goal of our

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