Endless Thread's "Madness", Part 5: The Unreachable Summit

Beyond All Repair

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Criminal Justice, True Crime

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🗓️ 25 March 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Dr. Ewen Cameron wanted to win a Nobel Prize for his work in psychiatry. He never got one. He died of a heart attack while climbing a mountain in the Adirondacks in 1967. So we don’t have access to Cameron's thoughts on his own legacy. But we do have his son, Duncan Cameron. In the final installment of “Madness," Amory and Ben sit down with Duncan and explore the shocking ways his father's methods are still being used today.

"Madness: The Secret Mission for Mind Control and the People Who Paid the Price," an Endless Thread series in 5 parts, unravels the shocking history of CIA-funded mind-control experiments. This is Part 5. If you haven't heard Parts 1 through 4 yet, you can find them here, here, here, and here.

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0:00.0	Support for this podcast comes from Is Business Broken, a podcast from B.U. Questrum School of Business. Stick around until the end of this podcast for a preview of a recent episode about why innovation in health care is so hard.
0:16.7	Hey, it's Amory, with the last installment of madness. The series I made back in 2020 for the podcast Endless Thread with my co-host on that show, Ben Brock Johnson.
0:27.7	That was five years ago already, so we have a quick update on where things stand at the end of this episode.
0:34.9	All right, here's the finale.
0:46.8	WBUR Podcasts, Boston.
0:56.0	Heads up, this is part five of madness from Endless Thread.
1:00.5	If you haven't heard parts one through four, you should definitely go listen to those first.
1:02.3	Okay, here we go.
1:05.6	Previously, an endless thread. How did you feel when you learned that Dr. Cameron's experimentation was financed by the CIA?
1:12.5	Well, I thought that bastard.
1:15.2	She wanted her day in court. She wanted a public apology.
1:18.2	That was the most important thing to her, more than the money.
1:20.8	And my eureka moment was, here it is.
1:23.3	He actually says that he was trying to do mind control experimentation
1:27.6	and to use whatever he had at his disposal to do this.
1:32.4	And no one seems to want to take accountability for this.
1:35.2	I think it's going to be a hard road to hoe.
1:38.0	Any words of advice for those attorneys?
1:41.4	Don't give up.
2:03.3	Thank you. for those attorneys? Don't give up. So what are you having in front of you here?
2:06.0	This is a picture of the... The whole family?
2:07.1	Yeah, there's my father and my mother, and here I am,
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