Welcome to the Primal Endurance podcast.

Slow down and enjoy the show, where we wrap, literally, about everything you need to know.

I'm your host, Brad Kearns. Are you ready? Let's go.

Debbie Potts, it is such a pleasure to reconnect, and we are pretty good at doing this regularly and getting out this great content.

I think you have an incredible niche offering or message, and that is, you know, the speaking for the athlete that's done the very best they could to be healthy and fit and reach goals

and, you know, train with devotion and not be a fat, lazy slob on the couch.

But in many ways, ending up at the same unfortunate destination as the person who could give

a crap about their health. And that's that, that's that situation where we're pushing ourselves too hard.

We're too driven, too focus, too goal oriented.

And we become our own worst enemy and end up on the familiar destination of burnout.

So the more we can talk about this, and I think, you know, I see you as one of the leading experts on the

scene here because you have lived through that journey yourself, which is vastly more

relevant than someone who's studied the stress hormone flows in a chemistry course or whatever.

It means you have to go out there and kind of go through that experience,

just like I did with my career racing at the elite level in triathlons and getting so much

pain and frustration and suffering and psychological disturbances from trying my hardest and then

not winning, in fact, doing worse and then having to go home and

recalibrate. So off we go into the journey and hopefully, you know, getting the message

absorbed by people who, who deserve to hear it and might be able to, you know, listen and

change course rather than having to learn everything the hard way.

That's what I tell my kids anyway.

Listen, man, I'm telling you something.

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