This is trend following radio where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Covel, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

My guest today is Justin Zorn, his new book, Golden, The Power of Silence in a World of

Noise. What a great title. We all instinctively know where Justin is going to go with that title.

And we all instinctively know that he's going to give us something that we need. Let me read a

quote. This sums it up nicely.

In a world where information overload has become the norm and indeed a badge of honor,

Justin Zorn's golden makes a radical claim. Unplugging and savoring silence is one of the best

things we can do for ourselves and our world. Justin weaves a gorgeous thread from neuroscience to politics,

from spirituality to business, showing us the way to peace and renewal. I'm grateful for this

profound yet practical exploration of silence and how to find it. In quote, even though I do this

podcast, when I finish a podcast episode, when I finish an interview,

I unplug. I tune out. I want the silence. Without any further set up, let's get into my

conversation today with Justin Zorn and learn a little bit about that power of silence in our crazily noisy world. I hope you

enjoy this conversation. Justin, one of the things that I have found interesting in my life, and I think by any metric,

I'm an introvert versus an extrovert. From my perspective, introversion is always, I can go out

and give a speech and stand in front of a thousand people, have all the energy in the

world. But when it's over, I want silence. Whereas I believe most extroverted people, they can go

give that speech in front of a thousand people. Then afterwards, they want to go party with a thousand

people. Whereas I'm the opposite. And you know, I just mentioned to you that I'm in Southeast Asia.

...