An interesting conversation today with author academic Kurt Gray from the University of North Carolina.

Our topic is his new book, Outraged, Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground.

This is a tough conversation for me because it's tough for me to find common ground.

And maybe I really don't want to find common ground with some issues of morality that violate my morality.

So that can make a conversation like this with a gentleman like Kurt who is trying to keep things,

somewhat down the middle, I probably made it a little bit difficult for him.

But it's up to you, the audience, to give it a listen and let me know what you think.

Without any further delay,

let's jump right into my conversation with Kurt line, people today are divided.

And of course, with a little setup I just gave you, you might be thinking, well, that guy might be thinking already, who are these people?

I think for America, you're probably going to be going to left and right, Democrat, Republican, but let me let you define

people are divided. That's an interesting way to start a book. You're right, that it's left

and right. You're right that I'm thinking of America, but I think many people have less empathy and less kind of

compassion for folks who disagree with them when it comes to politics. I think part of that is because

people have been pushed not only ideologically towards some extremes, but also that effectively our feelings or emotions are much colder

towards people who disagree with us.

We even see those who disagree with us less.

We interact with them less.

We don't see them at Little League games, right?

And restaurants and we don't date them.

And so increasingly we're kind

of clustered into these echo chambers is the word been used, but really kind of neighborhoods in our

...