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H E L P. And also before we get into this week's episode with Richard,

I wanted to let you all in on a little tidbit we have at the end.

So this is a minor spoiler alert,

but I gotta explain so you don't miss it.

So in this week's episode, I start to wrap up our conversation and I close out the show.

And like with most podcasts I record Richard, the guy who we're interviewing, and my brother Rory, who does the sound, and I, we have what we like to call the podcast after the podcast.

I swear this happens every single time I record but there is just

something about going off record that makes everyone relax a little bit and we like

we chit chat and the mics are still recording. So because this was our first

Zoom call recording we've ever done, Rory, who does the sound, stayed on the line the whole

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